What I would like to call 'wild styled feeding'! Wolves eat raw meat so why not our companion dogs??
My dogs get fed raw chicken wings - bones and all and they think its great!
ps its only cooked chicken bones that splinter and get caught. uncooked/raw bones are fine.
Raw Food diet
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ashrussell4190
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After seeing the improvement in condition and behavior of all my dogs, many family members have also made the choice to switch. To remove addatives and preservatives from their dogs diet, to give a more natural feeding regime. Many people think that the Barf diet is hardwork, trying to balance your dogs nutritional intake and planning ahead. When really I think its a much easier way to feed. Apart from being better on a dogs digestion, chemical free, higher protien based, has proven to be less stressful on a dogs intestinal system as a whole. I also never have to worry about a supermarket not stocking my brand of dog food should I get caught off gaurds.
My vet agrees that their diet has taken years off them, everything from their teeth downwards has improved.
My vet agrees that their diet has taken years off them, everything from their teeth downwards has improved.
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regarding barf, i have heard that spoilt fish and spoilt chicken can be toxic to dogs. Is this correct?
my dogs do get raw chicken necks and raw chicken wings, about 4 days a week, but I keep them frozen and only thaw them out on the day that they are getting them, because I'm petrified of poisoning them! My sister in law feeds her dogs chicken necks that have been in the fridge long enough to go green, and they are fine, but I don't want to risk it because of what I've heard (as hearsay) in the past.
I know that dogs can eat rotting meat, heck they bury a bone and love to dig it up a week later, stinking, and eat it! So I haven't worried so much about that (although I don't like the stench, so bones are strictly limited to their placemats!!), it's really the chicken (and lesser so the fish) that I'm asking about.
anyone with info?
my dogs do get raw chicken necks and raw chicken wings, about 4 days a week, but I keep them frozen and only thaw them out on the day that they are getting them, because I'm petrified of poisoning them! My sister in law feeds her dogs chicken necks that have been in the fridge long enough to go green, and they are fine, but I don't want to risk it because of what I've heard (as hearsay) in the past.
I know that dogs can eat rotting meat, heck they bury a bone and love to dig it up a week later, stinking, and eat it! So I haven't worried so much about that (although I don't like the stench, so bones are strictly limited to their placemats!!), it's really the chicken (and lesser so the fish) that I'm asking about.
anyone with info?
Dogs digestive systems are built to process food much faster than ours, as they are a scavenger/predator, unlike us.
This means they have stronger stomach acid and food spends less time in the gut meaning the chances of becoming ill from food that would have US puking for days are much reduced.
Dogs can still get salmonella, ecoli, campylobacter, its just far less likely and if something is REALLY off a dog is not that likely to eat it (although dogs who rarely get fresh food and have learned to run from their owners when they find something disgusting are likely to swallow first, decide if its off later)...
Thats not to say you SHOULD feed them off meat, i dont, ive fed things that have gone just far enough for me to go 'um, no' but certainly not things so off they have me gagging (like green chicken).
Dogs are not likely though to get food poisoning from fresh meat, no more likely than they are to pick up salmonella from dog kibble (this HAS happened!).
Em
This means they have stronger stomach acid and food spends less time in the gut meaning the chances of becoming ill from food that would have US puking for days are much reduced.
Dogs can still get salmonella, ecoli, campylobacter, its just far less likely and if something is REALLY off a dog is not that likely to eat it (although dogs who rarely get fresh food and have learned to run from their owners when they find something disgusting are likely to swallow first, decide if its off later)...
Thats not to say you SHOULD feed them off meat, i dont, ive fed things that have gone just far enough for me to go 'um, no' but certainly not things so off they have me gagging (like green chicken).
Dogs are not likely though to get food poisoning from fresh meat, no more likely than they are to pick up salmonella from dog kibble (this HAS happened!).
Em
Raw and cooked
It is true that in the wild, wolves don't eat cooked food!!
It is for this reason that I like to include raw, meaty bones in my dog's diet.
However, I have made a point of talking to people who have raised dogs who lived to an old age and all of them have given their dogs a mix of raw and cooked food with limited commercial/processed foods. It was from this research that I decided to feed my dogs a variety of food, both cooked and raw.
I feel that the domesticated dog has a different life to those in the wild so clean (no additives) and wholesome home-cooked food surely is a good diet.
It is for this reason that I like to include raw, meaty bones in my dog's diet.
However, I have made a point of talking to people who have raised dogs who lived to an old age and all of them have given their dogs a mix of raw and cooked food with limited commercial/processed foods. It was from this research that I decided to feed my dogs a variety of food, both cooked and raw.
I feel that the domesticated dog has a different life to those in the wild so clean (no additives) and wholesome home-cooked food surely is a good diet.
While I personally don't have a problem with the idea of raw feeding (and my dog does get the odd chicken wing bashed up), I don't get this "wolves in the wild" argument. Our dogs aren't wolves, and they don't live in the wild.
I do understand some people feel their dogs do better on raw, and I do believe that each of us can make a proper choice on what is best for our dogs, whether that's dry food, raw food or a mix. Don't want this to sound anti-BARF, because I'm not, I just don't like the BARF is best, the rest is rubbish argument that I've had on various other boards (when my dog didn't take to raw feeding wholely and it caused her to develop allergies).
On the plus side there are more commercial foods nowadays that are additive/preservative free and present a good alternative to those who don't want to raw feed but are concerned about their dog's diet.
I do understand some people feel their dogs do better on raw, and I do believe that each of us can make a proper choice on what is best for our dogs, whether that's dry food, raw food or a mix. Don't want this to sound anti-BARF, because I'm not, I just don't like the BARF is best, the rest is rubbish argument that I've had on various other boards (when my dog didn't take to raw feeding wholely and it caused her to develop allergies).
On the plus side there are more commercial foods nowadays that are additive/preservative free and present a good alternative to those who don't want to raw feed but are concerned about their dog's diet.
I don't trust commerciall dog food. The manufacturers are no different to those that processed food for humans, they cleverly present their product as being healthier than others. Having said that, I do still use dry food for my dog but it is a small part of my dog's diet, so it is more than well balanced out.KathyM wrote:While I personally don't have a problem with the idea of raw feeding (and my dog does get the odd chicken wing bashed up), I don't get this "wolves in the wild" argument. Our dogs aren't wolves, and they don't live in the wild.
I do understand some people feel their dogs do better on raw, and I do believe that each of us can make a proper choice on what is best for our dogs, whether that's dry food, raw food or a mix. Don't want this to sound anti-BARF, because I'm not, I just don't like the BARF is best, the rest is rubbish argument that I've had on various other boards (when my dog didn't take to raw feeding wholely and it caused her to develop allergies).
On the plus side there are more commercial foods nowadays that are additive/preservative free and present a good alternative to those who don't want to raw feed but are concerned about their dog's diet.
BTW, my views on commercial/processed foods is based on the research I have done for human and dog food. My conclusion is that the great majority of the commercial food industry lacks integrity and the only way to maintain good health is to ensure that the food you eat is largely prepared by you or someone trust.
I too have looked into this in as much depth as I can as a pet owner, but I can't and won't say that one is "better" than the other for ALL dogs.
There are various good commercial foods - NatureDiet, Nature's Menu, Autarky, etc being good examples.
For some dogs, 100% raw/cooked/dry is not an option, each dog is different and has different needs.
My current dog has big problems on 100% raw - I looked into it, got advice and tried it responsibly and it didn't work for her and actually made her very ill at one point. It doesn't mean I don't think it's great for some dogs, just as I don't think BARF suits all dogs.
Our old dog Ruby was too ill to switch to raw, but we had concerns about feeding her 100% dry. So we switched her to NatureDiet and I believe that helped her live a lot longer than expected.
I do believe that feeding as "natural" a diet as possible is good, but I just don't believe one diet suits all, and I don't believe that a wolf's natural diet is entirely relevant to pet dogs.
There are various good commercial foods - NatureDiet, Nature's Menu, Autarky, etc being good examples.
For some dogs, 100% raw/cooked/dry is not an option, each dog is different and has different needs.
My current dog has big problems on 100% raw - I looked into it, got advice and tried it responsibly and it didn't work for her and actually made her very ill at one point. It doesn't mean I don't think it's great for some dogs, just as I don't think BARF suits all dogs.
Our old dog Ruby was too ill to switch to raw, but we had concerns about feeding her 100% dry. So we switched her to NatureDiet and I believe that helped her live a lot longer than expected.
I do believe that feeding as "natural" a diet as possible is good, but I just don't believe one diet suits all, and I don't believe that a wolf's natural diet is entirely relevant to pet dogs.
I agree, I think we need to look at guidelines (as per a wild dog's diet) and apply other considerations for a domestic pet. My view is that in this regard, no matter what you are doing wrong, you at least have it in balance.KathyM wrote:
I do believe that feeding as "natural" a diet as possible is good, but I just don't believe one diet suits all, and I don't believe that a wolf's natural diet is entirely relevant to pet dogs.
I guess dog owners are always going to follow their own instincts and experience with dogs, I mean, if someone has alwqays fed their dogs a BARF diet and those dogs have all led long and healthy lives, it 's going to be hard to convince them to shift from what has worked so well for them.
The way I do things is to use variety, but use less of what I am not sure about (commercial food) and more of what I feel more confident about, a mix of cooked and raw.
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StaffieMad
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i was told by my chiropracter who owns a dobe of 5 yrs, he feeds her on a raw diet and it does wonders for her, as before that she was hypoactive on normal dog food which are actally manufactured by chocolate companies like mars etc would you believe! by feeding on a raw diet a behaviour specialist who he worked with had rotties for 20 odd years on which all lived to about 16 years even tho the lift exp for them is about 9-10! what an insentive to put your dog on this diet to have more happy years with them!
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Im a recent BARF convert. Ive only been feeding it a year. Compared to 15 years of convenience foods.
Why is BARF compared to feeding as "wild wolves"?
A wild wolf eats what its lucky enough to catch, and sometimes can go days without eating if pickings are slim. It doesnt have the knowledge to decide that its not had enough greens this week and needs more root vegatables.
The only similarity between a wolves eating habits and the BARF diet is that the meat is given raw.
A dog has the luxuary of being fed regularly and healthily, nutritionally balanced food via us, its owners.
My dog may eat the same as a wild wolf but its not fed like a wild wolf.
Why is BARF compared to feeding as "wild wolves"?
A wild wolf eats what its lucky enough to catch, and sometimes can go days without eating if pickings are slim. It doesnt have the knowledge to decide that its not had enough greens this week and needs more root vegatables.
The only similarity between a wolves eating habits and the BARF diet is that the meat is given raw.
A dog has the luxuary of being fed regularly and healthily, nutritionally balanced food via us, its owners.
My dog may eat the same as a wild wolf but its not fed like a wild wolf.
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milliegirl
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Raw food diet
Hi, iam new to this diet thing for dogs my mum gave her dogs food left over from the meals we ate along with dog biscuits but this was years ago. My dog does not like commercial food like pedigree etc, but i refuse to feed her raw food she is not a wild animal she is a domestic pet, i fear that feeding her raw food will only make her blood thursty if she tastes blood on food then what is wrong with blood from her owner when she nips even in playing.
What i would like is advice on COOKED food that is suitable for her.
lab/collie cross. 3 months old.
many thanks
wendy
What i would like is advice on COOKED food that is suitable for her.
lab/collie cross. 3 months old.
many thanks
wendy
