Refraining from posting on fear-based issues...

[jacksdad]

I would join you all in getting sloshed but I am out of root beer and vanilla ice cream

[Erica]

I would join you all in getting sloshed but I am out of root beer and vanilla ice cream

We've got tons of ice cream here! A giant tub of Neopolitan, Girl Scout Somoa Cookie Ice Cream, French Silk, Americone Dream, and Lactose-free Vanilla!

Everyone who could drive decided to get ice cream at the same time, haha.

Can't help you with the root beer, though, sorry.

[Sarah83]

I tend to see things like "I'll knock his teeth out" as people venting frustration, not something they're literally going to do, I don't know anyone who'd literally knock a dogs teeth out for something but I know a hell of a lot of people who'd say it in frustration or anger or as a joke. But I guess I'm one of the bad guys. I'm no saint. I get angry. I get frustrated. I get upset. At those times I walk away and calm down no matter how much I may feel like doing otherwise. I also get angry, frustrated and upset with my husband, parents and friends at times. That's life. I've never hit them either.

However, I threaten to kick my dogs head in over silly things like shredded tissues, thankfully he knows that my "kicking his head in" is play and is more than happy to grab a toy (or a piece of the shredded tissue!) and play. I've lost count of the number of times I've threatened to chop his tail off after he's given me yet another whack across the face or stomach with it.

seeing the people in my own life being ignorant about their dogs as well. The worst part is that for how untrained all these dogs are around me, none of them have the fear issues Murphy had, so everyone around me gets to be blissfully ignorant, yelling at their dogs, smacking their faces when they get their nose somewhere they're not supposed to, and these poor lovely dogs never snap or anything.

This frustrates me no end. I see so many people yelling at their dog, smacking their dog, grabbing and shaking their dog by the scruff and their dogs are well adjusted and friendly, not fearful or aggressive. Most of the time their dogs weren't socialised either and most aren't from good breeders but have turned out well despite everything. And these people generally aren't willing to change what they do, after all, it's working isn't it?

[Noobs]

I tend to see things like "I'll knock his teeth out" as people venting frustration, not something they're literally going to do, I don't know anyone who'd literally knock a dogs teeth out for something but I know a hell of a lot of people who'd say it in frustration or anger or as a joke.

Maybe, but I have heard these two stories in the last few years - I'm sure "bit" meant "nip", otherwise these two men would have had much more damage to them.

"(My dog) bit my hand and I just punched him in the nose. He never did it again."

"(My dog) bit my face so I bit her really hard in the lip. She never did it again."

So when someone makes a comment about knocking a dog's teeth out, I will take it to heart and believe that they will at least do something.

On a lighter note...

Girl Scout Somoa Cookie Ice Cream

THAT SOUNDS AMAZING.

[jacksdad]

On a lighter note...

Girl Scout Somoa Cookie Ice Cream

THAT SOUNDS AMAZING.

Are they made from real Girl Scouts?

[runlikethewind]

HI there Noobs - great to hear from you again

[bendog]

Unfortunately people just don't understand why negative behaviours are wrong sometimes because they can seem logical.

I've often heard people say if a dog bites or mouths you should bite it back on the ear, or the lip.

And my Dad genuinely thought that rubbing a dogs nose in its poo would help it learn not to go in the house.

I went to a dog training class once that was teaching that to get a puppy to sit you should yank upwards on the lead until it sits down.

It is often just ignorance. And if someone has had a dog in the past that "turned out ok" then they will believe that their methods work. People tend to trust their own experience, and the advice of their friends or vets above what they read on an internet forum.

On a side note: I do get angry, I've often felt like kicking my dogs. Not that I actually would, but when I get angry and frustrated thats how I feel.
I've often felt like hitting my boyfriend and I don't do that either (though I threw a phone at him once :/)

The people who annoy me are the people who ask for advice and then aren't prepared to take it.

[JudyN]

The people who annoy me are the people who ask for advice and then aren't prepared to take it.

I don't mind if they consider it and choose not to take it for whatever reasons (after all I didn't take Emmabeth's advice to delay Jasper's evening meal till 9pm as I didn't feel up to all the whinging while he adapted ). Sometimes there will be personal circumstances which make something difficult which they don't want to go into for whatever reason.

I do wish people would come back and say thank you though Sometimes you forget as you're waiting to see if there's more replies to your question rather than respond to every single one, but most of the time I think they just can't be bothered.

[emmabeth]

People deciding in some cases, that advice isn't quite going to work out for them, or it needs to be adapted slightly - thats fine...

Its people who refuse point blank, haven't thought of a way round the obstacles or adapted it appropriately and are still doing what they did before and then whinge on that they still have the original problem..

Those really do get to me. Fortunately we really don't get that many of them (and the last one I recall was actually banned, she was that bad!).

Doing what I do really has opened my eyes to what some people will do, and its taught me to be pretty zen about things really!

If I get riled though, I think back to one particular poster... who actually managed to turn rewards into aversives because she refused completely and totally to listen to advice and insisted she must force her poor dog (a very traumatised stray) to accept her attention. By the time she vanished from the forums, the dog was running and hiding at the sight of chicken rewards and had spent several days hiding under her house trying to avoid her!

I can forgive people frustrations, I can forgive ignorance or having learned the wrong lessons, but this person honestly beggared belief!

[Horace's Mum]

I remember that, I wonder what happened to them in the end?

[JudyN]

Its people who refuse point blank, haven't thought of a way round the obstacles or adapted it appropriately and are still doing what they did before and then whinge on that they still have the original problem..

...and it's probably all your fault, not theirs

[Nettle]

Don't forget that we are all wannabees

[Galadrielle]

I must just say thank you to everyone on here who persists with answering the 'daft questions' and forgives the impetuous thread-starting of newbies! I admit to being one of them and am grateful for everyone's patience, including RWTW, with whom I have great empathy.

I am being stalked on FB by a well-meaning dog-lady who leaves me in flood of tears every time I go on there with her graphic photos/descriptions of abused dogs.
She means (and is probably doing) well as she is raising the profile of dogs on death-row, needing homes and it isn't her fault that I'm supersensitive and frustrated because I can't help being several thousand miles away from the dogs concerned. I suppose I should block her but that seems to be 'wrong' somehow. But I know what RWTW means. Other peeps ignorance/cruelty whatever, wears you down after a while, no matter how they come by it.

I think this forum is brill and I've recommended it to many peeps.

I do think this is a 'pop-on when you have a problem' type forum, in general, and I think that perhaps once peeps have their advice, they're that busy implementing it (...or not!) that they forget to come back and update/thank. Sometimes the advice is not an instant cure so many months could pass before results are seen, by which time the source of the advice is forgotten.

I'm going to be a yo-yo though so I'll 'see' RLTW on other sections/threads.
Thank you everyone.
Galadrielle
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